Catholics talking about Jews

[frandroid]

I don't think I can not cringe ever when people, especially Catholics, talk about "the Jews." Even hearing Kate Mulgrew talk about "this extraordinary race" to Gates McFadden while bemoaning antisemitism, I'm like, hmmm...

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[springheel_jack]

I feel extraordinary!

It's mildly antisemitic in that it separates the Jews in a creepy pseudogenetic way. It just has a junky 'positive' spin, in that, I dunno, we're - what? Tough? The nazis made us tough. Toughened us up, I guess.

[frandroid]

Apparently Jews are self-contained, too, whatever the fuck that means. I'm not surprised to hear Mulgrew say this (she's a hardcore pro-life Catholic and basically a closet homophobe) but McFadden is just your run-of-the-mill wishy-washy Catholic and you'd think she'd have an editor ask her to edit. They possibly thought it wasn't problematic because it was "positive"...

[sabotabby]

Ugggggh I do not want to be an "extraordinary race."

[frandroid]

It's hard to feel properly simped on when put in the same bucket as Jeffrey Epstein.

[sabotabby]

Exactly.

[cactus_rs]

big oof

[ioplokon]

not great! i do feel like catholics have a particular moral duty to combat antisemitism tho, bc of, you know... doing most of it? but this kind of lazy 'philosemitic' framing is still super othering. it's a change in affect but not a change to the underlying conception of jewishness as Other & is vulnerable to being flipped back. (since well... the antisemite also believes jewish people are extraordinary...)

It's the whole challenge Levinas poses, to embrace the other as Other - w/o conversion/assimilation nor rejection nor fetishization

[frandroid]

> super othering

You put your finger on it.

I have not read Levinas. I like what you describe of his writing here.

I was reading about Martin Luther's anti-Semitism recently. Before going full fire and brimstone on Jews, he had a period of tolerance, except that it was only in the context that they could be potentially converted...

[ioplokon]

re: Levinas, I think he fails a bit in his own mandate when it comes to how he conceptualizes women/sex difference, & elsewhere. But personally have found a lot of worthwhile stuff in his writing on difference/alterity and also time? Probably the first place I encountered non-teleological philosophy ("the future is genuinely new, it does not spring fully formed from the bones of the past" is also something I liked a lot). Also Judith Butler's Precarious Life draws heavily on Levinas & is also quite good, imo.

[northernwalker]

Yikes on bikes. Did she add in the dreaded "Judeo-Christian values?" Because that phrase makes me stabby and means we're about to get blamed for Christians being terrible. Again.