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> FL Capitol bill aims to control 'leftist' profs
>
> THE LAW COULD LET STUDENTS SUE FOR UNTOLERATED BELIEFS.
>
> By JAMES VANLANDINGHAM
> Alligator Staff Writer
>
> TALLAHASSEE - Republicans on the Florida House Choice and
> Innovation Committee voted along party lines Tuesday to pass a bill that
> aims to stamp out "leftist totalitarianism" by "dictator professors" in
> the classrooms of Florida's universities.
>
> The Academic Freedom Bill of Rights, sponsored by Rep. Dennis
> Baxley, R-Ocala, passed 8-to-2 despite strenuous objections from the
> only two Democrats on the committee.
>
> The bill has two more committees to pass before it can be
> considered by the full House.
>
> While promoting the bill Tuesday, Baxley said a university
> education should be more than "one biased view by the professor, who as
> a dictator controls the classroom," as part of "a misuse of their
> platform to indoctrinate the next generation with their own views."
>
> The bill sets a statewide standard that students cannot be
> punished for professing beliefs with which their professors disagree.
> Professors would also be advised to teach alternative "serious academic
> theories" that may disagree with their personal views.
>
> According to a legislative staff analysis of the bill, the law
> would give students who think their beliefs are not being respected
> legal standing to sue professors and universities.
>
> Students who believe their professor is singling them out for
> "public ridicule" - for instance, when professors use the Socratic
> method to force students to explain their theories in class - would also
> be given the right to sue.
>
> "Some professors say, 'Evolution is a fact. I don't want to hear
> about Intelligent Design (a creationist theory), and if you don't like
> it, there's the door,'" Baxley said, citing one example when he thought
> a student should sue.
>
> Rep. Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach, warned of lawsuits from students
> enrolled in Holocaust history courses who believe the Holocaust never
> happened.
>
> Similar suits could be filed by students who don't believe
> astronauts landed on the moon, who believe teaching birth control is a
> sin or even by Shands medical students who refuse to perform blood
> transfusions and believe prayer is the only way to heal the body, Gelber
> added.
>
> "This is a horrible step," he said. "Universities will have to
> hire lawyers so our curricula can be decided by judges in courtrooms.
> Professors might have to pay court costs - even if they win - from their
> own pockets. This is not an innocent piece of legislation."
>
> The staff analysis also warned the bill may shift responsibility
> for determining whether a student's freedom has been infringed from the
> faculty to the courts.
>
> But Baxley brushed off Gelber's concerns. "Freedom is a
> dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don't want to
> hear," he said. "Being a businessman, I found out you can be sued for
> anything. Besides, if students are being persecuted and ridiculed for
> their beliefs, I think they should be given standing to sue."
>
> During the committee hearing, Baxley cast opposition to his bill
> as "leftists" struggling against "mainstream society."
>
> "The critics ridicule me for daring to stand up for students and
> faculty," he said, adding that he was called a McCarthyist.
>
> Baxley later said he had a list of students who were
> discriminated against by professors, but refused to reveal names because
> he felt they would be persecuted.
>
> Rep. Eleanor Sobel, D-Hollywood, argued universities and the
> state Board of Governors already have policies in place to protect
> academic freedom. Moreover, a state law outlining how professors are
> supposed to teach would encroach on the board's authority to manage
> state schools.
>
> "The big hand of state government is going into the universities
> telling them how to teach," she said. "This bill is the antithesis of
> academic freedom."
>
> But Baxley compared the state's universities to children, saying
> the legislature should not give them money without providing "guidance"
> to their behavior.
>
> "Professors are accountable for what they say or do," he said.
> "They're accountable to the rest of us in society ... All of a sudden
> the faculty think they can do what they want and shut us out. Why is it
> so unheard of to say the professor shouldn't be a dictator and control
> that room as their totalitarian niche?"
>
> In an interview before the meeting, Baxley said "arrogant,
> elitist academics are swarming" to oppose the bill, and media reports
> misrepresented his intentions.
>
> "I expect to be out there on my own pretty far," he said. "I
> don't expect to be part of a team."
>
> Florida House Bill H-837 can be viewed online at
> www.flsenate.gov.

[identity profile] the-watchmaker.livejournal.com 2005-03-29 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
christ...i liked how the only example the conservative could raise had to do with evolution, where the democrats were saying 'what about holocaust deniers/what about this/what about that?' very forward thinking from our republican friends...

oh, and i have a question for you, francois - you mentioned in a previous post that you did your own postage. does that mean that you have one of those little postage scales? if you do, i'd like to know if i could borrow it. i deperately need to use such a scale to weigh some comic books for a paper. depending on whether i personally get a hold of all the issues i need or have to go into a store, the amount of time i need should be very little. (if you don't remember who i am, i was with the opirg-york board for about a year. we ran into each other in the office a couple times.)

[identity profile] frandroid.livejournal.com 2005-03-30 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
Hi Neil, I remember you. =) I don't quite understand this "comic books for a paper" thing, but anyway, my scale is just a cheap plastic scale I got in some Chinese brick-à-brac shop once, so its precision is about +/- 20g, and it measures up to 500g. If you still want to use it, I can bring it with me to school, but I use it almost every day for my distro so you'd have to bring it back the next day or something.

[identity profile] the-watchmaker.livejournal.com 2005-03-30 12:36 pm (UTC)(link)
basically, it's a physical analysis of some comic books, so i need to be able to measure incredibly small changes in its composition. those changes, from an issue in the 60s to one in the 80s, are probably much less than 20g. :)

it's a mute point now, though. i have to go back home for a funeral and i wouldn't be able to meet with you in time...guess i'll look for other options.

[identity profile] frandroid.livejournal.com 2005-03-31 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
If the post office isn't busy, I'm sure they'll let you weight stuff on their good electronic scales. You might even manage to weight stuff yourself without getting their attention =)

lb,ma

[identity profile] mhalachai.livejournal.com 2005-03-30 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
What's that? Higher learning and reasonable discourse leads professors to so-called "liberal bias"?

Ezra Klein's blog has a great view on this, and there's a spot-on comment:

"There is a REASON that education leads to "liberalism." (We'll set aside for now the messy matter of the meaning of the word.)

Educational institutions are dedicated to the pursuit of knowledge with a commitment to evidence and critical reasoning."

Ahem.