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frandroid ([personal profile] frandroid) wrote2006-12-03 03:07 am

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Can you spell the words out?

h a r p e r m a j o r i t y g o v e r n m e n t

[identity profile] mrputter.livejournal.com 2006-12-03 09:17 am (UTC)(link)
You really think?


I thought Harper just lost the next federal election...

[identity profile] mrputter.livejournal.com 2006-12-03 10:00 am (UTC)(link)
Tho' I guess that's based on a sample space of one.

What I'm getting at, is that in that next election, I would very strongly consider voting Liberal. For the first time in my life, ever.


For me it's the environment, it's the environment, it's the environment. (Stupid.) Which is Dion's strong point, and it's clearly Harper's weak point. How much general outrage has there been over the government position on Kyoto recently? From my point of view, at least, I saw a lot. I think Dion is just the Liberal candidate to make that bite Harper back in the ass.

He is for me.

And the pundits after the election talked a lot about it, making me think that I'm not the only one. Granted, I'm kinda "odd" for someone who has basically been a lifelong PC supporter... but I'll bet my feelings aren't totally different from the "swing voters" who went PC last election because of the perceived complacency and sense of entitlement (of which AdScam, etc. were symptoms) in the Liberal party (and which has also been one of my bigger gripes with them), and whose votes are really still up for grabs.

A lot of people voted PC in January to "teach the Liberals a lesson" and have sobered up pretty quick in the last month. Dion could very well present an appealing hangover cure.

Also helped by the fact that he's not one of the Liberal "Old Guard."


Anyway, that's my two bits. And since I'm a computer scientist, not a political scientist, those two bits are probably worth diddly squat, so I'll now shut up.

[identity profile] threeliesforone.livejournal.com 2006-12-03 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
i completely agree. i actually said the same thing to my dad while watching the end of the vote yesterday.

[identity profile] frandroid.livejournal.com 2006-12-03 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, my qualifications in this case aren't as a political scientist, but as a Québecois. I mean I pray every day that Québec elections will move away from the nation issue and on to real, substantive issues, but we're still far from that yet. Ignatieff and Duceppe nearly restarted that fire again but surprisingly Harper saw what was happening and decided to extinguish it, and managed to bring the whole house over. In embracing the nation issue, Harper might have created the space for Dion to focus on the environment, which Québécois care a lot about and means that we will have an election this spring.

But Dion is really not well liked in Québec. Québec Liberal delegates were completely appalled at the choice last night. It's possible to win a federal election if the Bloc takes Québec away from you, but it's much harder if the Conservatives make gains there.

I mean, there's time for Dion between now and March to ingratiate himself to a lot of Québécois, and Harper has made the job easy for him with his stances on Kyoto and Afghanistan, but it's awfully short.

[identity profile] mrputter.livejournal.com 2006-12-03 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
> Dion is really not well liked in Québec.

And Ignatieff much less so outside thereof. As mulled over ad infinitum by the aforementioned pundits prior to the convention.

It was lose-lose for the Liberals in that respect... but there are a lot more swing voters in the ROC than in Quebec... especially since non-Liberal voters dans la belle province have two ways to split their vote; most outside only have one.


But like I said above, sample space of one. One longtime Reform-Alliance-PC supporter.

[identity profile] frandroid.livejournal.com 2006-12-04 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
Good point about the swing voters.

(However when the nationalist Québec voters have to switch allegiances, they do so in a big way.)

[identity profile] wynnara.livejournal.com 2006-12-03 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm with you on that one.
I normally vote NDP, but I'd be pretty comfortable voting for Dion given his environmental standpoint. I wouldn't have voted for Ignatieff or Rae.

plus the political whiny spam the NDP has been sending me of late is making me seriously reconsider my allegiance to that party...

whiny spam

[identity profile] frandroid.livejournal.com 2006-12-03 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Fuck yeah.