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Listening to an old Spitboy CD... They are as good as ever. Woman-fronted hardcore bands just rock.

Incidentally, I was sporting a Submission Hold t-shirt over the weekend when I went to the Toronto Anarchist Gathering, and a friend asked me: "Do you actually like Submission Hold, or do you just like the idea of it?" After admitting to liking the band, this friend told me she was in the latter camp, since she can't stand Jen's voice. I thought that was a hilarious idea, liking "the idea of a band" but not the band itself.

The Anarchist Gathering itself was a low-key but good affair. I missed most of the workshops, as I went later in the afternoon. A whole lot of people were attending the Indigeous solidarity workshop, which I decided to skip on to browse books instead. I bought books from the This Ain't the Rosedale Library table, but I haggled them down because they were trying to pass damaged/used/marked down books at retail prices. I bought a collection of Ulrike Meinhof's writing, amongst other things.

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I just noticed that the "tags" field in the LJ posting interface has an autocomplete feature, looking up your past tags. That's pretty cool. I wish my browser plugin with which I usually post with (Deepest Sender) would do that. I does allow me to browse my tags, though.

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I tweaked with the CSS today in typepad for my work blog and it was the most interesting thing I did all week. And I'm not bashing my work, I actually like doing CSS.

JOE!! If you're still swearing at CSS for the new tabnet setup, let me handle it!!!

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I've decided to make a weekly trip to the used CD store close to my place. I feel like I'm jumping back 10 years in time.

Date: 2009-04-09 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auradania.livejournal.com
When I built my portfolio site some years back I was experimenting which how far you could push CSS... the end result being 'pretty damn far'... all you have to do is turn off the style sheet in the browser to see how much of the design is being taken care of by the CSS, (http://athena.adwin.ca/).

Also, CSS Zen Garden is another great place to see some pretty impressive CSS work... the idea is use the same HTML, just apply a different style sheet... http://www.csszengarden.com

Date: 2009-04-09 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frandroid.livejournal.com
Not to be too smug, but I think I'm the one who pointed you to CSS Zen Garden in the first place ;)

But yeah, it's fun what you're done to your page... I think I'll convert the Greatworm homepage to CSS when I do a design refresh soon.

Date: 2009-04-09 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auradania.livejournal.com
Not to be too smug, but I think I'm the one who pointed you to CSS Zen Garden in the first place ;)

Considering the fact you would've probably done it close to 10 years ago, I reserve the right to be a little forgetful on the source of my original info. ;)

I will say that without the proddings of tabnet, I probably would've never graduated from an amateur Dreamweaver/Wysiwig designer to a proper HTML/CSS designer.


But yeah, it's fun what you're done to your page... I think I'll convert the Greatworm homepage to CSS when I do a design refresh soon.

If you intend to put any kind of dynamic backend on your site, I encourage you to look into SMARTY templates (http://www.smarty.net) for your front end. It takes the whole separation of layout vs. functional code to a whole new level.
Edited Date: 2009-04-09 11:44 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-04-16 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frandroid.livejournal.com
Well, I hadn't /planned/ to learn PHP, but that looks mighty interesting. I might go the Ruby way, I don't know if this would help?

Date: 2009-04-09 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jkakar.livejournal.com
That's how it starts... you enjoy a nice victory with CSS and think,
"Huh, this is some cool shit". Then you build a big application
that uses CSS and targets several versions of several different
kinds of web browser. Then you start adding Javascript to
manipulate the DOM and push and pop CSS styles. That's when you
discover that web browsers are terribly fragile environments with
(at best) horrible debugging tools. Most of the time your code just
stops running with no error or other indication, other than it
stopping, that something has gone wrong. This is really fun when
you have 2000+ lines of Javascript running for a single page (not
even counting the Javascript used by whatever JS libraries your
using).

Then you read jlunder's post and feel nothing but empathy, a feeling
strong enough that you consider phoning him up just to give him a
pep talk about how it isn't so bad (yes it is) and about how there
are more important things in life (this is true) and hey, keep your
chin up tiger.

The whole HTML+CSS+JS collection of technologies suck a lot. They
are cumbersome, become extremely complicated very quickly, and are
implemented poorly pretty much everywhere. I've been doing a lot of
this kind of programming recently and I find it very lackluster. I
like the outcome: making my web application a pleasure to use is
great, and that's what keeps me motivated (I care about the users of
my software a lot) but I find all the surprises, hacks and bugs
really frustrating.

The moral of this story? Be careful what you wish for. :)

Date: 2009-04-09 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frandroid.livejournal.com
Haha, thanks for the advice. I don't even really know what messing around witht the DOM with JS does. Do you have a good intro and/or a good reference for that? I'm curious...

On the other hand, I don't think that a mere bulletin board should be too challenging CSS-wise, unless Joe goes AJAX-crazy in order to bring the board into the 21st century. :)

Date: 2009-04-09 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jkakar.livejournal.com
There are thousands of websites about Javascript programming (and
the DOM). This one is well regarded and should be a decent starting
point:

http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/intro.html

Date: 2009-04-22 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] julsgeneric.livejournal.com
pretty hilarious that i am one of those people that likes the idea of the band more than the band itself. i even have a submission hold tattoo, the garlic from GARLIC FOR VICTORY. while not i'm not particularly a huge fan of submission hold's albums (although i listened to a few a whole fucking bunch between the ages of 15-20), i'm a huge fan of house shows, refusing to play non-all ages shows, starting bands with your family/making your band your family, food as medicine, radical feminism, anti-capitalism, being old punk, etc.

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